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6/21/2011 8:40:03 AM

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/ESrPGc0bEd-YiQAcxJSkrA/top-10-toughest-football-leagues-in-america-.htm

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6/21/2011 9:43:29 AM
@Breeze

So does this mean that Gilman will beat GC, and Calvert Hall will beat DM at Navy?   Wonder where the WCAC ranks?  MIAA at 7, wow.

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6/21/2011 10:27:52 AM
@WLS

This list is from a year ago. Not making a prediction on the Gilman-GC game but I am picking CHC to beat DeMatha.

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6/21/2011 12:45:31 PM
@GREYHOUNDALUM

From top to bottom I agree with max preps. However, the WCAC is competitive league.  In basketball the WCAC is one of the best conferences, if not the best. Teams like Paul VI, Oconnel, Gonzaga, Carrol and Riken have been weak.  BM and Gonzaga will have one good year and two bad years. The two teams have been stellar are GC and DM lately.  And if DM falls off the WCAC will only have GC.

At the end of the day, what does toughest conf mean in high school.  NOTHING.  WCAC will put as many kids in college as any other conference.  REMEMBER:  College coaches recruit individual players and not teams or conferences.

 

 

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6/21/2011 4:13:46 PM
@tdown

Come on.  The WCAC is a tough league?  Beside GC and DeMatha and recently Gonzaga there isn't any competition.  How can that be considered a tough league.

 

 

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6/21/2011 5:16:26 PM
@BDHS0902

BDHS - You need to put things in perspective...Because DeMatha and GC are very good you assume the rest of the league isn't. Here is a team and players that you didn't even mention:

Wayne Burden (Sr., Linebacker)
Named Defensive Player of the Year by dcsportsfan.com.
Named Second-Team All-Met by The Washington Post.
Named First-Team All-Conference for the WCAC.
Played in the Chesapeake Bowl.
Kevin McReynolds (Sr., Defensive Tackle)
Named Second-Team All-American by The USA Today.
Played in the Under Armour All-American Game on ESPN.
Played in the Chesapeake Bowl.
Jack Behrend (Sr., Defensive End)
Named Honorable Mention All-Met by The Washington Post.
Named First-Team All-Conference for the WCAC.
Gary Mulkins (Sr., Offensive Tackle)
Named Honorable Mention All-Met by The Washington Post.
Mitch Kirsch (Jr., Offensive Tackle)
Named First-Team All-Conference for the WCAC.
Olajuwon Swearinger (Jr., Defensive End)
Named First-Team All-Conference for the WCAC.
The team is St. Johns...........
 
 
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6/21/2011 8:12:56 PM
@sv1980

A team isnt measured by the number of kids they send d1, its measured by wins. Gilman, Calvert Hall, Loyola, McDonough, and Prep are competitiors every year in and out of the MIAA. Good Councel and Dematha have dominated the WCAC by a landslide for the last decade. A Merger between the MIAA and WCAC would potentially create one of the best leagues in the nation.

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6/21/2011 8:43:25 PM
@ckane

They attempted a merger last year but the MIAA decided against it......

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/10/AR2010061004726.html

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6/21/2011 11:33:39 PM
@sv1980

The main reason why the merger was nixed was because Loyola and Calvert Hall didn't want to give up their Turkey Bowl and destroyed the deal. Basically now with a Playoffs in the MIAA, the Turkey Bowl os an exhibition game. I think this merger will happen in the near future. Would be amazing for Maryland football!

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6/22/2011 9:35:58 AM
@GREYHOUNDALUM

Here are the records of the top 5 teams in each conference vs the other conference the past 5 years, decide for your self. which is the better conf


St John's 7 - 1 vs MIAA
GC 6 - 2


DeMatha 4 - 3
Gonzaga 4 - 4
McNamara 0 - 1

GPREP 6 - 4vs WCAC
Loyola 2 - 1
Gillman 4 - 4
Mt St Joes 1 - 5
Calvert Hall 1 - 5

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6/22/2011 9:48:02 AM
@gcfan

GCfan these numbers are VERY MISLEADING. St,John's has racked up their wins against a horrible Calvert Hall squad(they were at the bottom of the conference until last 2 years) and Mt.Saint Joe. They never played the top of the conference, which were Gilman and Loyola. Gilman's 4-4 is against GC and DeMatha. They would have DESTROYED every other team in the WCAC if they played. Loyola outside of last 2 years would have won plenty of games and 2 of those years could have beaten any WCAC team.

Right now without question the MIAA is much stronger top to bottom than the WCAC and its not even close. Baltimore area football in general is stronger than the DC area. All you have to do is look at who has won the states in the last few years. GC right now is the only team as a Gilman supporter that even matters. No disrespect to what DeMatha because they are still the standard that every program wants to copy. But they are going to have to show me something for me to fear them again! That being said, they have some young studs coming to the school this year. Brooks will have the talent, lets see what he can do with it.

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6/22/2011 9:50:42 AM
@GREYHOUNDALUM

numbers are the number, you can only beat the teams you play, both conferances had the equal chance to win.

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6/22/2011 9:56:13 AM
@GREYHOUNDALUM
6/22/2011 9:48:02 AM
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GCfan these numbers are VERY MISLEADING. St,John's has racked up their wins against a horrible Calvert Hall squad(they were at the bottom of the conference until last 2 years) and Mt.Saint Joe. They never played the top of the conference, which were Gilman and Loyola. Gilman's 4-4 is against GC and DeMatha. They would have DESTROYED every other team in the WCAC if they played. Loyola outside of last 2 years would have won plenty of games and 2 of those years could have beaten any WCAC team.

Right now without question the MIAA is much stronger top to bottom than the WCAC and its not even close. Baltimore area football in general is stronger than the DC area. All you have to do is look at who has won the states in the last few years. GC right now is the only team as a Gilman supporter that even matters. No disrespect to what DeMatha because they are still the standard that every program wants to copy. But they are going to have to show me something for me to fear them again! That being said, they have some young studs coming to the school this year. Brooks will have the talent, lets see what he can do with it.



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Gilman's 4-4 is against GC and DeMatha. They would have DESTROYED every other team in the WCAC if they played.

I'll grant you that, howver GC and DM would destroy every team in the Miaa as well.

There is Gillman, GC and DM n one level,   then St. John's GZ and now Carroll and McNamara on an equal level with anyother team but Gillman in the MIAA. 

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6/22/2011 10:00:36 AM
@GREYHOUNDALUM
GREYHOUNDALUM

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GCfan these numbers are VERY MISLEADING. St,John's has racked up their wins against a horrible Calvert Hall squad(they were at the bottom of the conference until last 2 years) and Mt.Saint Joe. They never played the top of the conference, which were Gilman and Loyola. Gilman's 4-4 is against GC and DeMatha. They would have DESTROYED every other team in the WCAC if they played. Loyola outside of last 2 years would have won plenty of games and 2 of those years could have beaten any WCAC team.

Loyola outside of last 2 years would have won plenty of games and 2 of those years could have beaten any WCAC team.

Loyola would NEVER of beaten GC or DM in the last 7 years!  NEVER!!!!!

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6/22/2011 11:02:28 AM
@gcfan

Baltimore area football in general is stronger than the DC area. All you have to do is look at who has won the states in the last few years.

 

Greyhound I did look at the past 5 years rankings, both massey and max prep

 

2010

GILLMAN

GC

CALVERT HALL

DM

GP

GZ

LOYOLA B

SJ

 

2009

GC

DM

GILLMAN

BM

GZ

GP

CH

 

2008

LOYOLA(ok, Maybe they would of beatean GC and DM)

DM

GC

MSJ

GILLMAN

SJ

 

2007

 

DM

GC

LB

MJ

SJ

GILLMAN

MCNAMARA

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6/23/2011 5:52:15 PM
@gcfan

The WCAC has been a two team league (with the exception of Gonzaga last year) for 8 years. You really have more competition in the MIAA. This year might change but DeMatha is in transition and Hogan is at Stanford.

Calvert Hall was the weak sister until the last 2 years. It would have been like an MIAA team playing Paul Vith, O"Connell or Carroll. Good Counsel shouls on paper be the team this year but top to bottom the MIAA is deeper.

 

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6/24/2011 12:09:03 AM
@ps019364

I'm not so sure about that.  just look at the rankings and the scores each team has.  Also DM and GC were so good that if the were in the MIAA you would be saying the same thing.  Carroll is improving and St. Johns, Gonzaga and Macnara are just as good as any team in the MIAA except the top 2 over the last 5 years.

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6/24/2011 8:13:42 AM
@gcfan

Even in 2008, Loyola would not have beaten GC in a head to head game.  GC and Loyola scrimmaged one another that year and it was not even close.  Loyola's ranking was based on a weak MIAA schedule and compatition in 2008.  Greyhound admit it; in 2008 Gilman was no where near where they are today.  Those kids were just coming in to make Gilman what they are today but were babies then.  In 2008 the WCAC would have demolished the MIAA top to Bottom.

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6/24/2011 9:36:09 AM
@WLS

WLS,

You really need to look at Facts, not just toss out BS. The WCAC would have destroyed the MIAA top to bottom in 2008. Are you kidding me?

Why then would Gilman with a losing MIAA record beat WCAC Champ DeMatha 21-14. Prep beat Gonzaga 42-0 and Paul Vith that year 35-14. Yes they are part of your league even though a lot of people like to point at Good Counsel and DeMatha as if every team in the league was that good.

Loyola beat Gonzaga that year 42-0 with a 35-0 lead at the half and a running clock in the 2nd half. McNamara was 0-2 against the IAC that year. Carroll is getting better. They were not good that year. Try to actually make a point you can back up with actual facts.

Imagine Allen Iverson saying practice and replace that with scrimmage? They dont count because everyone including the manager plays. What was the last big out of conference win by a team other than GC or DeMatha over an out of league team. It was basically a 2 team conference for 7 years and a 3 team conference last year. Mt. St. Joe's was a co-champion one year. Can't say their equivalent in the WCAC has done the same. Calvert Hall went from not winning a game in 2008 when St. John's barely beat them to league champ. ??? You have other teams in your league. It's just not Good Counsel and DeMatha. Do you understand that?

 

 

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6/24/2011 3:06:20 PM
@ps019364

PSO19364  you had me until this (made many valued observations) "What was the last big out of conference win by a team other than GC or DeMatha over an out of league team. It was basically a 2 team conference for 7 years and a 3 team conference last year." 

St. Johns   

29 -13 win over a 9-4 WEST CATHOLIC(PHILY PA)WHOPIONSHIP WON THEIR  CHAMPIONSHIP 07

19-3 OVER AN AN 8 - 4 CALVERT HALL TEAM 09

and name one school in the MIAA that has played a tougher out of coohn's, not to mention GC

Gonzaga

41-21 win over  7-4 Georgetown Prep 10  

23-21 win ove r 7-3  Georgetown Prep 09 

the truth is

 

1. there have been 2 consistantly great temas over the 8 years both from the wcac DM and GC

2. the MIAA has had a great team every now and then over the same time period, no two teams in the MIAA have dominated the way DM and GC has.

3.  the WCAC has had 1 or 2 consistanly weak teams and so has the MIAA over that time period.

4. there is the illusion that because of 1 and 2 above that the MIAA is a stronger top to bottom

5. that is because you haven't had 2 teams as good as DM andGC have been over that time.

6. the 3, 4, 5, 6 WCAC teams are just as good as the 3,4,5,6 teams in the MIAA over the same period.

 

PROVE ME WRONG!


 

 

 


   
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6/24/2011 3:10:46 PM
@gcfan

 THE MIAA HAS HAD MORE PARITY THEN THE WCAC THE LAST 10 YEARS

 THAT DOES NOT MAKE THEM A STRONGER LEAGUE.

DON'T CONFUSE THE TWO

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6/24/2011 3:43:44 PM
@gcfan

Since the Bob Milloy era, the MIAA has had much more parity over WCAC. Up until the Fall of 2009, I think most MD football fans would have favored GC or DM over Gilman or any other MIAA foe. Prior to the Fall of 2010, I think most private schools in the MD area viewed the DeMatha program as king of land, not Gilman. 

Times have obviously changed in the past 2 years and most recently at DeMatha. Its safe to say right now, GC is the team to beat from the DC area and Gilman is the top dog from Baltimore. It was like this last fall and it will be like this again this Fall.

I understand Gilman beat GC last year by a wide margin but before Gilman boosters being to boast just how strong their program is, Poggi needs to find a way to win the MIAA outright. Hasn't Gilman been upset by Calvert Hall now, two years in a row now, and both programs have shaired the MIAA title the past 2 seasons?

Prior to GC finally knocking off DM in the Fall of 2009, DeMatha I think had won 7 straight WCAC titles and steam rolled the competition in their league. Lets see if GC or Gilman can match what DM managaed to do in the middle of this decade before we take shots at the DM administration or new coaching staff.

Its very tough to win a championship and rise to the top, its evern harder to stay on top of the mountain.

 

 

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6/24/2011 4:53:44 PM
@prettyboy

PB, no Calvert Hall and Gilman have not shared the title 2 years in a row. Gilman won it outright in 2009 and CHC wasn't even 2nd in the league(they came in 3rd). Up until 4 years ago Gilman had won 6 straight MIAA titles. They have DOMINATED the MIAA throughout its history. Believe they have won 10(it could be 9) out of the last 13 titles. So I would say that Gilman has been just as dominate as DeMatha has in its own league.

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6/24/2011 5:13:06 PM
@ps019364
6/24/2011 9:36:09 AM
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WLS,

You really need to look at Facts, not just toss out BS. The WCAC would have destroyed the MIAA top to bottom in 2008. Are you kidding me?

 

 

 

 

 

FROM 2004 TO 2010  WCAC 27  MIAA  16  in head to head games

HOWEVER

FROM 2008 to 2010  WCAC MIAA 12

HOWEVER

prior to 2008 the only teams that the MIAA scheduled were the top 4 WCAC teams GC-DM-STJ -GZ

SINCE

2009 the MIAA has started playing PVI, McNamara and beat those teams all 4 times

 

DEDUCTION

 

The top 4 teams in the WCAC since 2004 have beaten the MIAA teams 27 - 11

However the MIAA has shown improvement against the WCAC the last 4 years and with DM with questions about what direction they are going it is  looking like tthings are changing,  however it is too soon yet for the MIAA to claim dominance,this year will be very telling....

 

2010        2 - 6

, GC    6            GILLMAN    28

DM  10          GILLMAN   35

DM   45       LOYOLA  31     

ST J(  7      CALVERT HALL     24

GZ( 41        PREP 21

GZ 20       MCD  34

PVI( 0        PREP 35

MC 6              MS )29

 

2009          5 - 1   

DM       56         GILLMAN( 35

GC        49        GILLMAN 47

GC       42          MSJ 0

STJ    19           CALVERT HALL  3

PVI  3             PREP 32

GZ    23          PREP 21

 

 

2008     1 - 5

DM     14          GILLMAN     21

DM  45             LOYOLA      31

 ST J   19        CALVERT HALL       16

GZ    0            LOYOLA       42

GZ     0          G PREP         42

PVI   14          G PREP      35   

 

2007   4-1    

DM  42          GILLMAN 0

GC    42         GIBBONS 0

GZ  14          LB 50

GZ  20           PREP   12

STJ 32           CALVERT HALL 14

 

2006    6-0   

DM    24         GILLMAN 6

GC  35           MSJ 0

GC    55         PREP 14

GZ    21         PREP 6

ST J   34        CALVERT HALL 6

STJ 22           MSJ    15

 

2005    3 - 3

DM  19        GILLMAN 21

GC  31         MSJ 14

GC  14           PREP 21

STJ  13         CALVERT HALL 7

STJ 27          MSJ 20

GZ 7             PREP  14

 

2004   6-0

DM  12            GILLMAMN 9

GC    30          MSJ 0

GC  26           PREP  7

GZ  17            PREP  14

STJ   16          CALVERT HALL 13

STJ 35         MSJ   13

I want to thank my AA Kim for doing akl ths research for me today.

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6/24/2011 5:41:04 PM
@gcfan

2011 schedule    so far

McN v MSJ                 TOSS UP

GC V GILLMAN           TOSS UP

STJ V GILLMAN          GILLMAN

 

Things are looking better for the MIAA then the WCAC

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6/24/2011 5:58:20 PM
@gcfan

GCfan, a few corrections. DM didn't play Loyola in 2008, that score if from 2009. WCAC was 0-5 in 2008. Also you should never have Gibbons in there from 2007 because they are a MIAA B conference team and wasn't  a very good one. Also Gilman and St.John's do not play this year, it is a scrimmage not a real game. DeMatha and Calvert Hall doea play and I am picking CHC to win.

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6/24/2011 5:59:37 PM
@gcfan

MY DREAM AREA HS CATHOLIC ATHLETIC CONFERANCE

 

DEMATHA

GILLMAN

GOOD COUNSEL

CALVERT HALL

ST JOHNS

GEORGETOWN PREP

GONZAGA

MT ST JOES

CARROLL

LOYOLA

MCNAMARA

GIBBONS

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6/24/2011 6:31:49 PM
@gcfan

Gibbons is no longer a school!

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6/24/2011 8:35:36 PM
@GREYHOUNDALUM

Thanks for educating me.........now that its plain to everyone I know next to knowing about baltimore schools.

When I scaned my post above I noticied that Gillman, Calvert Hall, Mt St Joes, Prep and Loyola are the schools that always seem to play WCAC schools so why not make it offical and nstead of Gibbons bring in Spauldiong.

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6/24/2011 8:42:01 PM
@gcfan
6/24/2011 5:58:20 PM
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GCfan, a few corrections. DM didn't play Loyola in 2008, that score if from 2009. WCAC was 0-5 in 2008. Also you should never have Gibbons in there from 2007 because they are a MIAA B conference team and wasn't  a very good one. Also Gilman and St.John's do not play this year, it is a scrimmage not a real game. DeMatha and Calvert Hall doea play and I am picking CHC to win.



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I knew I should of proffediit. but ok 0-5, the MIAA still hasn't won out 2 years in a row as the WCAC has.

BUT I WILL GRANT YOU THE MIAA IS MUCH MUCH BETTER THEN THE YEARS I SAW THEM PLAY WCACTEAMS 2004- 2007. 

I HADN'T REALIZE HOW FAR THEY HAVE COME.

I TOO THINK THIS IS THE YEAR THEY WILL HAVE A BETTER RECORED AGAINST WCAC SCHOOLS FOR 2 YEARS IN A ROW AND I WOULDN'T BE SUPRISED , DEPENDING ON THE MATCH UPS IF THEY DID IT 3 YEARS IN A ROW.  THEY ARE CLEARLY IMPROVING AS A CONFERANCE AT A TIME WHEN THE WCAC IS IMPLODING.

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6/24/2011 8:57:52 PM
@gcfan

THATS WHAT A LITTLE RESEARCH DOES FOR ONE.  I FOUND OUT I WAS BASES MY RESPOSES ON WHAT I KNEW FROM MY FIRST HAND OBSERVATIONS. AND READ ABOUT ON THE POSTS BUT AFTER I SAW THE RECENT COMPLETE INFO, I UNDERSTAND WHY MIAA PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE BETTER AND I UNDERSTAND WHY WCAC THINK THEY ARE BETTER!

MY UNBIASED OPINION RIGHT NOW THE WRITTING IS ON THE WALL THE MIAA WAS BETTER LAST YEAR AND HAD THEY HAD A BETTER RECORD THE YEAR BEFORE I WOULD SAY THE MIAA IS A BETTER CONFERANCE.

THEY ARE NOT THERE YET,  BUT CLEARLY THEY ARE IMPROVING AND IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS WILL PROABLY BE THE BEST CONFERANCE GIVEN WHAT HAS GONE ON IN THE WCAC IN THE P-AST YEAR.

THATS WHY I'M HOPING PEOPLE START THINKING AROUND THE LINES OF MY DREAM CONFERANCE.  IT IS BETTER FOR MARYLAN AND DC SPORTS NATION WIDE TO HAVE 1 GREAT ATHLETIC CONFERANCE YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT THEN HAVING TWO GOOD CONFERANCES HAVING GOOD YEARS AND BAD YEARS.

MARYLAND AND DC HAS STARTED DOWN THE ROAD TO NATIONAL PROMANCE IN ATHLETICS AS A STATE AND NOT JUST DEMATHA.  LETS BUILD ON THAT.

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6/24/2011 10:37:16 PM
@gcfan

GC FAN,

When was the last time a team other than GC or DeMatha won the WCAC? Your bottom 3 or 4 teams would not win a game in the MIAA A Division. Could any WCAC team especially one with a losing record beat DeMatha as Gilman did in 2008.

That Calvert Hall team you said was good lost to Prep 35-7 with the 7 a gift kick off return with 2 minutes left where the runner was down.

47 wins and One loss was GC and DeMatha's record against the rest of the WCAC over an 8 year span and the one loss was paid back and then some in the playoffs. Both GC and DeMatha got crushed by Gilman last year. A good Gonzaga team got beat by McDonogh. Calvert Hall beat St. John's. They used to be the league patsy but even at 0-5 almost beat St. John's in 2008 and would have beaten the bottom 4 in the WCAC easily.

I hope the WCAC gets more parity. I hope Gonzaga wasn't just a 2 year revival with Hogan but I think they are back. Fifteen years ago I would have definitely said there was no comparison and the WCAC was much better but the last five years overall you gotta go with the MIAA.

 

 

 

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6/24/2011 10:42:08 PM
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GC Fan. Prep beat Gonzaga 28-7 in 2005 not 14 to 7, the same year they beat a preseason #1 Good Counsel team 21 to 14.

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6/25/2011 12:58:32 AM
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6/24/2011 10:37:16 PM
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GC FAN,

When was the last time a team other than GC or DeMatha won the WCAC?

2003 GZ

 

Your bottom 3 or 4 teams would not win a game in the MIAA A Division.

that would depend on who you are refering to as the bottom 3 teams, McNamara, Carrol and GZ or St John's?  I believe some of those teams have already acomplisjed that, in fact St. John's is 7 - 1 against MIAA and GZ  is 4-4 but at least u r attacking the argument and not me

Could any WCAC team especially one with a losing record beat DeMatha as Gilman did in 2008.

well that is a very good question hmmmm lets see GC has 5 times and gz 1 time, and Gillmans record in 2008 was 6-4 with a loss to bergen Catholic 1 of the best teams in NJ and a loss to 11-0 loyola 7-2 Mt St Joes and a 7-4  all three of those losses came at the end of the year  and Just like this year when Gillman beat GC, in 2008 DM the week before traveled to play and beat the state champion of Delaware 37-0 Middleton, and as I said this year it is ver hard for a team comming off a huge win against a nationally ranked team to be up for there next game.

kind of changes things when you know the facts and btw who were   Gillmans 2 players that missed the last four games of the season due to injuries? How did you ever think Gillman had a losing record in 2008 hey were Ranked 3rd in the state and 6-1 before the injuries hit.

That Calvert Hall team you said was good lost to Prep 35-7 with the 7 a gift kick off return with 2 minutes left where the runner was down.

SO WHAT Doesn't Change tha validity of the argument yo are discssing 2 MIAA teams.

47 wins and One loss was GC and DeMatha's record against the rest of the WCAC over an 8 year span and the one loss was paid back and then some in the playoffs. Both GC and DeMatha got crushed by Gilman last year. A good Gonzaga team got beat by McDonogh. Calvert Hall beat St. John's. They used to be the league patsy but even at 0-5 almost beat St. John's in 2008 and would have beaten the bottom 4 in the WCAC easily.

I have no idea which years you are refering too however the only way you can get those numbers isw by skipping a year, DM lost to GZ and GC last year, GC lost to St Johns and DM in 2007 so what years are you refering to in your 8 year span??

I hope the WCAC gets more parity. I hope Gonzaga wasn't just a 2 year revival with Hogan but I think they are back. Fifteen years ago I would have definitely said there was no comparison and the WCAC was much better but the last five years overall you gotta go with the MIAA.

we agree on something at last!

 

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6/25/2011 1:36:21 AM
@gcfan

WELL THE LAST 3 YEARS, I FOGOT I NEED TO CHECK YOUR NUMBERS,  ARE YOU SURE YOU NOT THE ONE WITH DYSLEXIA?

WHEN YOU GO BACK 5 YEARS 2007 AND 2006 ITS 10 -1 IN THE WCAC FAVOR.

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6/25/2011 1:59:59 AM
@gcfan

AND I HOPE YOU RELAIZE I'M OVER LOOKING THE FACT THAT IN 2009 THE WCAC WAS 5-1 AGAINST THE MIAA! WHEN I GRACIOUSLY DEFER TO THE MIAA BEING THE DOMINATE CONFERANCE THE LAST 3 YEARS  LOL

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6/24/2011 9:47:39 AM
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WLS GC and Loyola scrimmaged in 2009 not 2008(I know because I was there) and Loyola would have easily beaten DeMatha that year and could have beaten GC as well! Remember, Gilman beat DeMatha that year and Gilman was down. So for you to say that GC and DeMatha would have ran thru the MIAA isn't true at all.

Gilman had 2 down years in 2007 and 2008 after losing a lot of talent in 2006. Not only that, in 2008 Gilman was playing with a one legged Darius Jennings(he had knee surgery in the summer), had lost their best player Jordan Love(he transfered to school in VA because his mom's job transfered her there) who plays for Georgia now and had a host of injuries. Ended up the year with 6 starters not playing. But anybody who saw them play and saw what they had on campus would have known that they were going to be very strong for a long time.

You have to remember, Gilman is a school that starts at Pre 1st. So there are kids that are on campus for years learning Gilman's system. I am hear to tell you, Gilman is going to be strong for many many years. Wait until you see the rising 9th grade WR Robert Branch(he will see plenty of time on the Varsity this year)! He is generally considered the best prospect in the state in his class and one of the best in the country. Won MVP of The Diamond Bowl for 8th grade All Americans in Arizona this past season. In fact Gilman has 2 kids who are considered the Top 2 players for The Class of 2015 in Branch and Danny Blair. With Old Bill behind the scenes and Baucia now at Gilman, I expect to see Gilman as a mainstay in the National Top 25 rankings for years to come.

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WLS GC and Loyola scrimmaged in 2009 not 2008(I know because I was there) and Loyola would have easily beaten DeMatha that year and could have beaten GC as well! Remember, Gilman beat DeMatha that year and Gilman was down. So for you to say that GC and DeMatha would have ran thru the MIAA isn't true at all.

 

 

Using your same logic, in 2009 St. John's would of easily beaten Loyola, Loyola had lost to Calvert Hall and St. John's had beat Calvert Hall by the same margin of victory that Calvert Hall beat Loyola, so St. Johns should of beten both GC and DM. And we know that did not happen.

Just go to Massey rankings or Max Prep rankings and look where each team strenght of team value is. It proves what I posted earlier,

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6/24/2011 4:46:37 PM
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GCfan, no one said anything about 2009, Loyola sucked!

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6/24/2011 3:35:20 PM
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6/22/2011 9:54:49 AM
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Very good post. This doesn't even take into account teams like Georgetown Prep and Calvert Hall that duck DeMatha and GC every year....Gilman is the only MIAA team that will play the top teams in the WCAC. Georgetown Prep wanted to play GC when they could beat them, but now they would get killed and refuse to play. Calvert Hall could easily create a tougher schedule by playing the top WCAC teams but would rather pad their record.

 

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6/24/2011 3:41:53 PM

Greyhound if you were there in 2009 - 2010 school year (2009 FB Season), you had to be there in the 2008 - 2009 schoold year (2008 FB Season)  when Jenkins and GC distroyed Loyola who walked over the MIAA that year.

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6/24/2011 4:48:27 PM
@WLS

I definitely wasn't at a 2008 scrimmage and never even heard about them scrimmaging.

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6/24/2011 10:54:11 PM
@WLS

WLS,

DeMatha won the WCAC that year not Good Counsel. they lost to a 2-3 Gilman team. They call it a scrimmage because that's what it is. It's a SCRIMMAGE not a game a Scrimmage.

If your delusional and think your # 5 and 6 teams would win a game in the MIAA look at the Prep-Paul Vith games. Good because everyone gets to play for Prep. Carroll, McNamara except for one good year, O'Connell. Tell me who's gonna win a game. Mt. St. Joe's has been down a couple years but I'd still take them over those teams.

 

 

 

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6/25/2011 11:25:28 AM
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Pro, GC Fan proved my point as far as the WCAC.  I do believe that a scrimmage does not show that much but when you dominate in such a way as GC did, it is evedent that GC would be the victor in a head to head.  I am fully aware that GC did not win the Ship, and fell short.  In that game McGegor and crew made some adjustments that were pure brilliant and got to GC big.  But that does not take away from that teams ability.

Also as far as the WCAC's #5 and #6 teams if you are refereing to Paul VI and O'Connel as PVI is not in the WCAC anymore, they would win a game for sure in the MIAA.  Each MIAA "A" team has to play a "B" conference team and they would win one of those and upset I know atleast a couple of teams.  The Paul VI team last year and that great Coach that they released (which still confounds me) for sure under his totalige would have won a game or two in the MIAA.

Let's be for real, Gilman and Loyola use to be the jewels of the MIAA and there was everyone else.  Just like DM and GC.  CHC has played Gilman well even when they were not the best in the MIAA.  Some teams just have other teams number ask CHC why Prep has theirs. 

MIAA will be the old WCAC from this year forward as no one will beat Gilman for years to come in that league with the tools that Biff has just brought in and now the power of recruitment they have.  So your parity is about to go out the window and the WCAC will be more balanced with the DM coaching change, and Milloy probably going in the next 5 years.

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6/25/2011 12:26:59 PM
@WLS

I thought O'Connel left the WCAC as well, are they still a in?

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6/25/2011 12:35:53 PM
@gcfan

WLS, I did prove your point but those same stats show that the MIAA is at the very least as good as the WCAC is now and if they have another year like they did last year I'm in there camp,, the MIAA will be the best conferance.

 It's good for the MIAA biut its bad for their athletes and bad for the WCAC and their athletes and bad for the state of Maryland if you compare the good that would come of combining the two confreances where the champion of that conferane is almost assured of being ranked inn the top 25 nation wide year in and year out.

The admins of the schools should look to the greater good and get it done.

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6/25/2011 12:42:18 PM
@gcfan

I failed to provide ojective reasons,

1. Th MIAA is ranked now as the 7th best coferance in the nation, where do you think they would be ranked if they also had GC the 15th ranked team in the country and Dematha the only school out of both conferances  that most people in nation have heard of for decades?

And no offence to the oher WCAC schools for not including them, I'm just lazy.

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6/25/2011 1:34:45 PM
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 The reason I am harping on a merger now.  This is the perfect time for it to happen!  What is going on in both conferences will never happen again.

 

1. As stated above: 1. The MIAA is ranked now as the 7th best conference in the nation, where do you think they would be ranked if they also had GC the 15th ranked team in the country and Dematha the only school out of both conferences  that most people in nation have heard of for decades?  And why is this so important?  If you do a merger most times it   rates a story in the local papers.  If you do a merger now, it’s national news! Were  talking ESP N and if the marketing people are any good an OUTSIDE THE LINES story.

The benefits of the move now as opposed to any other time are obvious.

 

2. But there is even a better reason and I’m taking about the elephant in the room, so to speak.  DM, Lets face it, I would not want to be in a conference where I knew that I would lose 9 out 10 times,  and for most  teams 10  out of 10. AND my apologies to DM fan that is not assured right now.  There is a reason a new coach is there an untested coach, what makes you think that he will immediately(and this is the KEY) right the ship. That one of the best high school coaches in the country couldn’t fix?  DM is in for a few down years,    those down years most schools would die for.  What I am saying is there are questions, will DM get back to where they have level they have played at the last 8 years?  YES  no question!  But it’s not going to happen right away.  And that also makes it more attractive for the other schools to be willing to make the move now.

 

Now I know there are all kinds of other excuses for it not to happen.  But I ask you this, is there really valid reason not to do so now given the opportunity that faces us now?

 

 If you believe this is not the most beneficial time for all involved for this to happen tell me why it should not.  Convince me that putting together the conference I have below isn’t a win-win for everyone.

 

DEMATHA

GILLMAN

GOOD COUNSEL

CALVERT HALL

ST JOHNS

GEORGETOWN PREP

GONZAGA

MT ST JOES

CARROLL

LOYOLA

MCNAMARA

SPAULDING

 

and for those of you who have read my post before, it  has dawned on you, I USED SPELL CHECK, that how strongly I feel about this. lol

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6/25/2011 1:39:29 PM
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and I'm not sure if there are better teams to add, go ahead and do so, my main point is this time these cicumstanse will never happen again.  Sieze this opportunity! 

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6/27/2011 12:28:13 AM
@gcfan

The merger will never happen. Too many AD's dont want it and too many obstacles to overcome. The dream conference is just that a dream. Some schools also go out of there (recruit) way to get kids to play at their school even if it involves long commutes and taking academic risks which some of the schools wont do.

Hopefully GC will get some competition (other than Gilman) this year but they probably have more flexibility than most of the schools which will benefit them.

 

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6/27/2011 12:32:52 AM
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GC Fan,

The 2008 Gilman team that beat WCAC champ DeMatha was 2-3 in the MIAA. Check it out. That would be a losing record in conference. Not that hard to understand. Would any team in the WCAC beat DeMatha, no they would lose by 30 or more.

 

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6/27/2011 10:37:49 AM
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PRO that makes no sense, yes Gilman beat DeMatha and GC tore DM a new one on ESPN that same year but lost the ship.  Teams get better over the year.  So to say a 2-3 Gilman team was better that all of the WCAC is obserd.

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6/27/2011 12:49:02 PM
@WLS

PRO as I said b4 the 3 losses were the last three games of the season! And prior to that They were ranked 3 in the state...you check it out!

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6/27/2011 12:52:33 PM
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The merger will never happen. Too many AD's dont want it and too many obstacles to overcome. The dream conference is just that a dream. Some schools also go out of there (recruit) way to get kids to play at their school even if it involves long commutes and taking academic risks which some of the schools wont do.

Hopefully GC will get some competition (other than Gilman) this year but they probably have more flexibility than most of the schools which will benefit them.

 



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 No argument, it is just now with the WCAC in turmoil and DM with questions (but with great name recognition) and the MIAA so strong and GC ranked 15th. These circumstances wont happen again.  Just as everyone in the world should of bought AIG stock in 2008 at 33 cents a share. You need to take advantage of opportunities when they arise because they wont happen again.

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6/27/2011 3:34:41 PM
@gcfan

It would be fun, but too many obstacles. My point on the 2-3 Gilman team was that unlike the WCAC where you knew Good Counsel and DeMatha were always going to beat the lower teams that's not the case in the MIAA where there is more parity and the weakest teams were probable better than the weaker teams in the WCAC.

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6/27/2011 5:03:21 PM
@ps019364

no question yo are right!

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7/1/2011 5:53:02 AM
@gcfan

My last post was unfair to the 06 and 07 St.John's teams those teams were just as good as GC and DM.  Wins and losses don't tell the comlplete story all the time.

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7/12/2011 10:17:23 PM
@gcfan

St. John's was just as good as DeMatha and Good Counsel in 2006 and 2007??? Explain.

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