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DMV Conference Predictions

8/5/2016 12:07:51 AM
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wcacwizard
8/5/2016 12:07:51 AM

Wcac: DeMatha will win. SJC could potentially take the crown from DeMatha but I'm not sure how well the SJC team will work together

IAC: Bullis of course, They have a beast line, fast receivers, and the #1 RB in MD.

MIAA A: McDonough will win. They have a lot of weapons to fuel their high-powered offense. With Ellis throwing and McNair Blocking they should have a good year

MIAA B: Boys Latin will win. John Carrol has lost a lot of talent and I feel like BL will be up to the challenge

Let me know how you guys feel about it!

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silverbullet
8/5/2016 12:03:48 PM

WCAC- DeMatha wins. GC, GZ, and SJC will push DM to the final whistle. SJC doesn't understand what they are getting into this season, but you have to start somewhere, I guess. Yes, they have talent, but with their OOS and WCAC schedule they will have very important kids go down with injuries much like DM last year. SJC isn't built to lose DJ Turner, Spruill, Oluwatimi type players and deal with the rest of the power 4 teams come playoff time. They are going to catch lava temperature heat if they don't figure out how to win the league with all of those transfers....

IAC- Bullis. Not deep, but talented at important spots. Who is the QB? Does it matter?

MIAA-A -  McDonogh wins. Gilman and Spalding will push them. It will be closer than people think. SFA will be a clusterF until next year then watch out...

MIAA-B - Pallotti. Most talent in the league and an inspired coaching staff. They will be pushing for A conference very soon. 

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Falcon83
8/5/2016 5:53:56 PM

I already weighed in on the WCAC in another thread.  

Why are the three posters who commented on the IAC here sleeping on Prep?  They bring alot back. Granted - they have some work to do on the OL.  But every skill postion that graduated a starter has a solid junior replacement. They won a share of the league last year - physically dominated Episcopal and lost a very close game to Bullis, who loses a great QB but does pick up a problem in the RB from John Carroll.  

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NewDC_Jon
8/6/2016 11:54:44 AM

Falcon, when you write "problem" in reference to the RB from John Carroll, are you referring to disciplinary/criminal problems? Or are you implying that he will create problems for other teams on the football field in a non-criminal sense? Just curious because I know Bullis looks the other way when it comes to current football players committing crimes on campus, but I would hope they aren't bringing in kids who have had significant problems elsewhere. 

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Falcon83
8/6/2016 2:24:56 PM

I meant a problem to deal with on the field.  Saw the kids tape and saw him when they played 7v7 vs GP.  He runs angry.  He's not kidding around. 

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skiboy
8/6/2016 10:57:17 PM

Curious, What crimes have the football players done that were overlooked?

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prettyboy
8/8/2016 8:11:54 AM

come on dude. Neal would be kicked out of any other school in the DC area. He was dismissed from the school in the Spring and now has been re-instated. 

The Bullis headmaster looks like a complete clown. 

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NewDC_Jon
8/8/2016 6:42:41 PM

What prettyboy said. And I think there is something illegal about recording the action the young man is guilty of and sharing it w others without the permission of the underage lady in the film. Apparently the young man did just that. Bullis kids sure do like recording their inappropriate activity.

Also, Bullis has a recent history of admitting students for football that other IAC schools dismissed for a variety of reasons - some of which, if they occurred on the street, would easily be felonies. Without naming names, in 2013 Bullis admitted two football-playing students who were dismissed from Landon, one due to disciplinary reasons (he ended up at Calvert Hall) and another who was booted from Landon for cheating and disciplinary violations in 9th grade. That one ended up at Bullis and was ejected from the 2013 Bullis - Landon football game. I assure you he was not kicked out of the game for his outstanding contributions to society. The 2012 recruiting class included at least 2 transfers who were dismissed from their previous schools who also later got into fist fights during football games (against SSSA).

So, statutory rape, assault, distribution of pornography... Seems like a decent list. Then you have the non-criminal but just plain laughable things Bullis football players pulled off recently. The story of the kid who transferred in from Paint Branch, played the football season out w Bullis and transferred right back into Paint Branch makes me chuckle when I think about it. I think Pat is a great football coach, but he sure does have a nice luxury: importing players for a semester and then getting to ship them right back out. It is a luxury no other HS football coach I know of has. Long and short, every school has its warts. It just appears that other schools handle them in a prompt and professional manner. 

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prettyboy
8/8/2016 6:56:27 PM

I have always wondered how strong of a coach Pat is. How would be do in the WCAC or the MIAA A division where all of the schools recruit as hard as he does. None of the IAC come even close to what Bullis when it comes to bringing in transfers and certainly not as strict admission standards. 

If Milloy were to retire from Good Counsel this year or next, would Pat be a frontrunner due to his ties to the Olney area? 

IAC football has improved as a whole in the past 3 - 4 years but it will never even come close to how competitive the WCAC is.

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silverbullet
8/8/2016 7:06:25 PM

Very interesting. Pat would have to take the GC job if offered. I've heard Bullis set him up pretty nice, but that's a no brainer IMO. 

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NewDC_Jon
8/10/2016 12:39:40 PM

Prettyboy, I really think Pat is a strong coach. Frankly, I also think he is an outstanding mentor and molder of student-athletes. Recent actions have changed my opinion on the latter to a small degree, but those actions really fall on the administration. 

Regarding your question regarding Pat and OLGC. I have no clue. It makes sense though. Like Milloy, Pat has a strong public school resume. Unlike Milloy before coming to OLGC, Pat has proven he can recruit effectively at the private school level. Granted, Pat has been able to recruit so effectively because of a spineless administration. But, academically, Bullis and OLGC are basically on par if you take out OLGC's Ryken/IB programs and their facilities are currently about similar (although Bullis is about to surpass them again). So I see no reason he couldn't continue his success at an OLGC. 

Regarding IAC football on the whole improving: agreed 100%. Great to see schools like Episcopal and Prep making strides and doing whille not sacrificing their principles and academic standards (not like Bullis had much of either of those to begin with). And even the less successful football programs have some outstanding coaches like Gary Schnell at STA and Bernard Joseph at SSSA. 

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wcacwizard
8/11/2016 6:34:02 AM
Disagree @NewDC_Jon

@NewDC_Jon Where are your facts coming from? My son has a number of friends who attend the bullis school and they all said that the girl was 18 and the young man was 17...and to add on to that I was told that it was the young lady who started spreading rumors of the video to begin with... you are so quick to demean HIGH-SCHOOL ATHLETES... maybe you should get a life

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NewDC_Jon
8/11/2016 2:29:39 PM

To answer your question regarding where my facts are coming from in four words: Bullis faculty and staff. To expand: Bullis faculty and staff who are beyond appalled at the administration for allowing this (and countless other transgressions) to happen in the name of wins on a football field. I will lean on their input a bit more than I will some 16-18 year olds. That said, I do not question the age you cited of the male involved in the incident. The age of the female I do. But, I was just reminded of MD's rather lenient statutory rape laws. So the incident was not that. My mistake. 

Regarding your accusations of me, I did not demean any high school athlete in this thread. I merely pointed out the actions of some high school kids and purposely avoided naming names. I demeaned an administration for bending rules to a comical degree. Kids cheat, kids have sex, kids get into fights. Pointing that out isn’t demeaning them, it is merely making a statement of fact. Adults reprimand those kids accordingly, unless you go to Bullis and can run for 8 yards a carry – then their transgressions are swept under the rug. That is what I demeaned. Frankly, creating a culture where accountability doesn’t exist deserves demeaning. As a parent, I would hope you would agree. 

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nomad
8/22/2016 10:32:19 AM

Bullis is traditionally the school in MoCo, where parents with $$$ send their kids who have "issues". I know they have tried to move away from those type of admissions over the past decade. But it seems like there are still a few getting in each year.  Trust me there are some students there that have done a lot worse, they just dont happen to play football.  Honestly, I think Bullis is really trying to help these kids and set them on the right path.  But as we all know, you cant save them all.

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FrankCurry
8/8/2016 12:24:48 PM
Agree @silverbullet

Interesting point about Pallotti - they just had a kid commit to Penn State, and two guys (twin brothers) commit to Buffalo.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/recruiting-insider/wp/2016/08/05/pallotti-wr-cam-sullivan-brown-makes-the-call-to-penn-state/

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silverbullet
8/8/2016 7:04:15 PM

They also have an incoming freshman RB from VA that already has offers. He was first locked in at Gonzaga then DeMatha, but shocked a lot of people by attending Pallotti. Hopefully it works out for the kid and he doesn't end up transferring like the DJO QB had to do. 

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NewDC_Jon
8/10/2016 12:40:21 PM

Where did the DJO QB end up? 

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Falcon83
8/11/2016 1:02:55 AM

Birthday Party Flyer

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Falcon83
8/11/2016 1:07:56 AM

His twitter profile says he is now at McDonough.  But he apparently has a side business promoting parties wherein he is the guest of honor.  We are all invited so long as we are "lit".  Unfortunately, you fellas will have to pay more to gain admittance than your girl... This should be fabulous...

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silverbullet
8/11/2016 11:50:55 AM

That is priceless. Nice find. 

 

Yea he's at McDonogh for his junior year. He just verbally committed to Virginia Tech a few days ago. 

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NewDC_Jon
8/11/2016 2:33:40 PM

Hate the fact that I cannot view the image. Best of luck to the kid. His recruitment as a middle schooler felt really unseemly (including the WaPo story that was done about it) and he got dealt a crap hand by a DJO administration that seemingly had all the pieces in place to create a winning culture that didn't revolve around recruiting 20 year olds but threw it away. Hope his time at McDonogh and VA Tech goes well. 

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Falcon83
8/12/2016 12:38:36 AM

The flyer and the stuff on his twitter are enough to make you think perhaps the kid needs some guidance.  Sixteen (or 17) year olds don't "host" house parties advertised on the internet where adminission is charged.  Nothing good can come of this.  

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LBLB
8/14/2016 12:38:31 PM

The RB coming into Pallotti (Blake C) dad changed his mind from Gonzaga and DeMatha because he thought those programs REALLY wanted his son.  They are from deep in Virginia and were not use to the recruiting that goes on in the WCAC.  Once the dad had a reality check he sent his son to the school that promised to build the program around him.  The dad owns a land scaping company and has some coin and the kid is a talented player.  However, it should be noted that the kid is a re-class kid who should be going to 10th grade.  The kid is a good student from a good home and the re-class was athletic based.  It will be interesting to follow this young man over the next four years.

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foodforthought
8/15/2016 4:08:48 PM

@LBLB

interesting indeed. He will get some carries this season behind Patterson and the position is his for the following 3 seasons. Pallotti is definitely bringing in a lot of skill positions but will need to bring in size along the line to compete year in and year out in MIAA "B". Being such a small school with a small boys population hurts that effort. Hopefully that will change in the near future

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Fournette2.0
8/25/2016 1:40:05 PM

Ellis? Is this the same Ellis that didn't do anything at DJO? Is this the same Ellis that was shut out against the team that he plays for now?  Not sure how you can assume that Ellis is the key to McD.  That team belongs to McGriff and Jabril Johnson.  Ellis needs to get in where he fits in.

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prettyboy
8/5/2016 8:13:41 AM

Nothing will change in the WCAC this year. I think Dematha will come out on top. Good Counsel's coaching will once again take them to the ship. SJC is trying to buy a ship but it will be curious to see how all of these new players they brought in mesh together. You can never rule out Gonzaga and their coaching staff.

I think in the MIAA A, McDonogh has to be the clear favorite. Will be interesting to see what Biff and Co will be able to do at Saint Frances. 

I love that you mentioned the MIAA B Conference, IMO one of the best conferences in the area to follow. I think BL should be very solid but Pallotti is most likely the favorite this year. John Carroll will be in the mix but Rawlings is gone and their best returning RB transferred to Bullis.

In the IAC, Bullis and Episcopal will be the clear frontrunners. Episcopal has the best QB in the league. Bullis brought in a senior transfer RB from John Carroll who is a program changer. Will be interesting to see what they do at QB with Haskins gone. Damani Neal has been re-instated.

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NewDC_Jon
8/5/2016 11:08:51 AM

Prettyboy, so it is confirmed once and for all - Gilman has pretty much no one coming back? Also, I thought Biff went out to U of M, no? I know his $$ is going to Saint Frances, but is he helping out there too?

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kjj348
8/5/2016 11:24:58 AM

they all transferred to SJC. It will be interesting to see if SJC can make it five years in a row that everyone thinks they will be the best team in the league, then end the season barely cracking the top 4. In all fairness, it is hard to practice when the surface on which you are playing is composed of mostly burning trash because your school is a dumpster fire.

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silverbullet
8/5/2016 12:16:13 PM

Not sure if the $$ is pumping into SFA just yet. I'm not joking, Poggi hired a group of lawyers to figure out what the extent of his involvement could be concerning NCAA regulations since he is now an employee of the U of M(how do you feel about that btw). I think this year is about setting the ground work and next year is when the bank account opens up....possibly going independent, which sets the stage for Pallotti moving up to the A conference. 

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NewDC_Jon
8/5/2016 1:23:27 PM

It makes sense that he got lawyers involved before he does anything. Don't need U of M turning into that school in Columbus where players and coaches committ NCAA violations left and right. That said, as a U of M fan I love Poggi being involved with the porgram, just like I love them hitting up the Jersey Catholics too. It is now a national conference, the Big 10 invited UMD knowing full well the main reason was to expand their recruiting and TV reach. So U of M ought to do whatever possible (within reason) to get to the WCAC and MIAA. Great kids and great athletes. 

Now, to confirm that I am reading this right - SFA might go independent? I thought that talk was put to bed, no?

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silverbullet
8/8/2016 7:15:37 PM

Yea it's looking like SFA is going to have to go independent. The MIAA and WCAC schools aren't very happy about the way the staff went about their business this past offseason. Without getting too far into it, our friends in Olney were especially heated. 

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Falcon83
8/11/2016 1:14:57 AM

Who from Olney departed?

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silverbullet
8/11/2016 11:55:16 AM

Nobody that I can think of went through with it, but a few big names were heavily pursued. I'm glad that they brushed it off. 

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Falcon83
8/11/2016 1:56:59 PM

That's what I thought.  Was looking bad for a while.  Didnt know if another one had popped up.

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Falcon83
8/17/2016 2:48:32 PM

Come to think of it, they did lose three 2018's to Georgetown Prep (LB), Damascus (FB/ LB) and Palotti (WR) this off season. All what you would consider depth guys this year and probably two who would be starters as seniors.  Good kids to boot. No trouble/ drama on or off the field.  They lost one or two 2018's last off season I think.  One finished the sophomore season as a starter at Prep (WR/ DB) and had been one of their top freshman from the GC freshman team. Can't recall the other.  Something about 2018 water I guess - losing 5 inside of 12 months...

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GREYHOUNDALUM
8/8/2016 6:52:04 AM

Gilman has over 30 players returning. They have plenty coming back. McD is the favorite and I think they win, but like what was said, its not going to be as easy as people think. Gilman will also have better coaching this year, bringing in a former All Metro player, who won a state championship in GA last year. He will be the Head Coach next year.  

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NewDC_Jon
8/8/2016 4:09:17 PM

Welcome back Greyhound. Will the new Gilman coach still be able to recruit as Poggi was able to?

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GREYHOUNDALUM
8/8/2016 10:13:17 PM

From what I'm told, Gilman has one of the best incoming classes in the whole DMV. I think they will be forced to recruit just as hard because of what McDonogh is doing. Gilman will not allow McD to dominate them in football. 

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Casey124
8/18/2016 9:18:29 AM

Bullis has a lot of talent, something like 4 or 5 DI commits already but Episcopal has at least that if not more. They are the two front runners in the IAC.  Episcopal is an all boarding school so they can and do recruity the entire country and outside. I heard they have a couple starters from Cananda on the team. That is a committed program on the rise.

Bullis QB is a junior Tucker Strachan.  Originally was going to Gonzaga until Aaron Brady left and then ended up at Bullis after spending a year at Landon. Apparenlty has the size and pedigree but first real varsity experience is this year.

https://maryland.rivals.com/news/strachan-set-to-take-the-reins-at-bullis

As I understand it...Prep lost something like 25 seniors last year so a lot of new starters and they are lacking size. But they always seem to put a team together that is competitive.

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prettyboy
8/6/2016 12:35:38 AM

SFA will most likely go independent after this season once Biff is full time. 

 

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NewDC_Jon
8/6/2016 11:34:54 AM

Prettyboy, it makes sense I gues to do it for football in the short-term, but long term it seems foolish to me. Biff isn't going to live forever so the $$ will dry up eventually unless he also sets up some sort of endowed fund. And how would this impact their involvement in the MIAA/IAAM for other sports? Would the league let them stay? I know that the WCAC lets the below average VA schools play all sports other than football, but does the MIAA make exceptions as well?

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FrankCurry
8/8/2016 12:21:42 PM

Nice swipe at the WCAC.

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NewDC_Jon
8/8/2016 6:53:49 PM

Not a swipe at all Frank. I applaud the likes of DeMatha, Gonzaga, SJC, AHC, Seton, McNamara, and ABC for doing what they do in regards to the VA schools. Rather than ask the VA schools, which are far more deep-pocketed and have far larger enrollments (other than BI) than the likes of McNamara and ABC, to compete in football (as ABC is starting to do and BMac does), the WCAC allows them a pass. It shows that they truly do embrace the Catholic virtues that they tout in word. Kudos to the non-VA WCAC schools for doing this. 

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araiderfan
8/8/2016 5:36:48 PM

WCAC  --  To be the man you got to beat the man.....and until someone steps up and proves they can do that in November, you have to pick DeMatha......SJC, a lot of individual talent brought in but is it a team and a team that can win in September to stay as a team in conference play. GC, solid old school coaching that has teams ready to compete regardless of the talent level...Gonzage.....can they win in November

MIAA A  --  McDonogh has the more explosive players but Gilman has plenty of solid football players returning regardless of who is at SJC...if both take care of business up until that last game of the season you might look for the upset with Gilman....if Gilman slips up once against someone else, Mcdonogh is the safe pick

MIAA B  --  Boys Latin could be a safe pick as a more complete team but Pallotti has so many skills and mids this year to compete with most anyone regardless of conference it is hard to pick against them but up front has to be a question with 2 very good lineman and JC lost a lot to graduation and top RB transferred....Curley always big and tough.......

IAC  --  Dont know much about the conference....know Bullis has some speed and seems to pull in transfers......Seen a few kids from G Prep at camps this summer that can definitely play

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smalltownboy
8/15/2016 2:54:20 PM

WCAC winner this year will be St. John stop living in the past with this Dematha crap!!!!!!!!!!!

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foodforthought
8/18/2016 12:23:04 PM

I have been hearing rumors that McFarland was injured in the DeMatha-Pallotti scrimmage on Tuesday. Can anyone confirm that? Heard the scrimmage ended in a tie but in a real game, DM size and depth would win out

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araiderfan
8/18/2016 12:51:56 PM

Unfortunately, i have been told broken ankle, done for the year.

No doubt, upfront Dematha was clearly much better than Pallotti. Skill player wise though, Pallotti was better based on what was seen Tuesday night.

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recruitdc
8/19/2016 10:18:39 PM

Yall are sleeping on Good Counsel.  They have a ton of recruited seniors at key positions and a sophomore class that was undeated last year on the freshman team.   Milloy, who is arguably the best coach in the area, said 10-12 members of that freshman team will play this year....and despite the disappointing regular season they were still in the ship at seasons end.  St. John's is talented and Gonzaga is well coach but both lack in the area that the other is strong in.  GC doesn't have that issue.  Yall know how Milloy likes to play and how he's won in the past. Milloy + potentially the leading rusher in GC history = wins. 

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pirate1511
8/20/2016 12:24:11 PM

Good Counsel will always have a dominant freshman team because most of the other WCAC schools play their studs on JV and to Varsity sophomore year. Let's overlook that- they lost a ton up front and their entire defense. They do have a very highly recruited couple of recievers, a good running back, and their QB Travis "Watch me Whip" Nannen is the real deal. 

Problem is if they can protect him and not make them one dimensional. I also don't think they have the defense they had in past years- gonna be rough defensively. Offense they will go as Nannen goes- he will keep them in games. Lot of his picks last year where trying to claw back from deficits.

I see them losing to Sullivan, DeMatha and Gonzaga this year going 7-3. 

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recruitdc
8/20/2016 3:16:10 PM

Fair point on the JV to varsity thing.  They bring back at least two guys up front with contee and watkins....and their entire defense?!  They lost Keondre and the Stott kid who committed to maryland, who got hurt before the start of last season.  They've got 3 big time kids in the front 7 with eley, paschal, and baylor (all are rated 4 star by at least one service).  They've got two low d1 defensive backs and Stott's younger brother, who balled out last year, should be big time too.  I don't see defense being as big of an issue as you suggest.  Especially once the rising sophomores  find their footing.  GC's senior class is pretty talented make up a huge part of that team.  I think that'll be an advantage against alot of the teams they play.  I like Nannen too and think he'll have a good year.  The issue last year was that senior class wasn't as talented as in years past.  That isn't the case anymore.  Look for the oline play to be better this year as well.  The really talent on that line is back this year and a year older and probably stronger as well.

Sullivan could be tough bc they've got some big timers but isn't this their first year playing together?  we'll see if they can gel in time.  DeMatha will obviously be tough but if mcfarland isn't back that is a huge weapon to not have to worry about.  Still its dematha.  Gonzaga?! Nah fam GC worked them in the game that mattered.  Clearly had more talent than Gonzaga.  that game wasn't even close and this GC team is way better than the 2016 team.  I can see St. John's being a problem though.  Hill is the best QB in the league and that left tackle they have is big time.  If they find someone that can run behind him the whole league is in trouble.  If they can't the coaching staff messed up.  I have GC going 8-2 with losses coming to some combo of DM, Sullivan, or St. Johns.  7-3 at worst. 

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pirate1511
8/20/2016 11:26:06 PM

Who do they have to catch the ball minus Pratt? If Ibrahim goes down they are screwed. They had a pretty good recieving core too last year, people forget how good Peters was. They looked better last year than in 2014. Don't sleep in Gonzaga, they ate very senior heavy.

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recruitdc
8/21/2016 9:09:30 AM

they've got a kid named donally who ppl expect big things from.  they also have a sophomore in cam hart that is supposed to show out this year too...plus the rumor is the opening attendee josh paschal might play some tight end.  I think they will be fine in terms of pass catchers.  I agree Peters was good but not the same level of talent that a sr Pratt should be.  

If any team's most productive player, save maybe dematha, goes down they're screwed right?  If Gonzaga's big time receiver, fisher is his name i think, or running back goes down they're screwed also.

I hear you on Gonzaga but GC stomped them in the playoffs last year.  Everyone ate. 

Nannen only has one D1 offer now but that could/should change by the end of this season.  This will only be his 2nd year as the starting QB.  Usually guys make a leap in year 2.  The conference should be great this year.  Now that McFarland at DeMatha is out the crown just became a bit more attainable for everyone else.  To be honest though I hope the kid can come back late this season.  Hate to see a kid's senior year taken from him.